Saturday, December 31, 2022

David Udren interview, 3/25/77, part 2

 


.10  Influences on David as a teen--other kids he played sports with

1.30  Traveling with basketball team as an adult; members of the team, including Louis Mosconi (who later formed a famous vaudeville dance team with his brother Charles). 

Image of Charles and Louis Mosconi, probably from the late nineteen-teens, performing a dance routine dressed as Edna Purviance and Charlie Chaplin--movie stars of the day.                     Found on: https://travsd.wordpress.com/2011/05/11/stars-of-vaudeville-325-the-mosconi-brothers/


David describes playing basketball in a cage--from the turn of the century until the 1930s, basketball was played in a cage to protect the players from aggressive fans and to keep the ball with the players when it went out of bounds. Hence, the old-fashioned slang term "cagers" to refer to basketball players. 


Image: a basketball game being played in a cage, ca.1910                   Found in: https://www.blackfives.org/vintage-basketball-cage-game-re-enactment/

Dave also talks about encountering antisemitism from the fans.  He states that about half of the members of the team were Jewish.  During the first decades of the 20th century, basketball was extremely popular among recent Eastern European  Jewish immigrants.  Jewish players dominated professional/semi-professional basketball at this time. 

Image: The Sphas (South Philadelphia Hebrew Association) basketball team, ca. 1928.  The Sphas were the dominant team in professional basketball through the 1920s and early 1930s.  Note the Hebrew lettering on their shirts.                                                            Found on: https://philadelphiaencyclopedia.org/essays/sphas/

Dave describes two memorable games, a basketball game with a particularly antisemitic fan section in Tyrone, PA, in which he was injured; a baseball game (Dave played both semi-pro basketball and semi-pro baseball) played for a Jewish agricultural colony in northern New Jersey (most of the agricultural colonies were in southern NJ) . 

In the latter part of the 19th century, Eastern European Jews fleeing pogroms escaped to the United States; many lived in slums in New York.  Several charities promoted training immigrants in agricultural skills and supporting Jewish Agricultural Societies in various places around the US to offer a better life to these immigrants.  The earliest and most successful of these were located in southern New Jersey.  The Alliance colony was the first Jewish agricultural society formed in the US, in 1882.

Image: Farmer Jacob Greenblatt delivering a load of white Leghorn chickens to be transported to Philadelphia; Alliance, 1918. Found in: https://stockton.edu/alliance-heritage/

8.00  Fighting antisemitic bullies

10.30  Other jobs--hat store delivery boy

11.50  Meeting future wife, Alice Green, in Atlantic City, NJ (ca. 1924?).  Dave was around 26 at the time and she was around 18 years old.  Dave was working for Publicker's managing an alcohol denaturing plant in Buffalo, NY and Alice was working as a bookkeeper for a real estate group in Philadephia; both were taking a brief holiday in Atlantic City.  (For more information about Publicker's, see: http://www.ellenjaye.com/pub_publicker.htm)


Image: The Green family, ca. 1924 (based on hair and clothing styles and the apparent ages of the family members), at around the time that Alice and Dave would have met .  They married in Philadelphia in 1926.

Hershl (Tsvi Hersh)/Harry Green (father); b.Ukraine, 1879, d. Philadelphia, PA, 1935

Pietl/Yetta Greece Green (mother); b. Ukraine, 1882; d. New Jersey, 1962

Hershl/Harry and Pietl/Yetta ca. 1900, possibly a wedding picture

Itzik/Ed Green (brother); b.Ukraine, 1904; d. 2000

  Pietl/Yetta and Itzik/Ed Green, Ukraine, 1904
Ed Green, early 1920s(?)

Alice Green Udren (self); b. New York, NY, 1906; d. New York, 1967

Anna Green Davidson (sister); b. 1908; d. 1997

Lillian (Lil) Green Snyder (sister); b. 1910; d. 1994

Jules Green (brother); b. 1912; d. 2002

Marsha Green Schneps (sister); b. 1921; d. 2003

15.00 Took train from Buffalo to Philadelphia to visit Alice on weekends

20.00  Any risks taken as a young person?  "Can't speak of it".

21.20 "First date"

22.20  Clothing remembered: the overcoat he designed and made.

24.00  Dave left home at 18-19 years old.  Visited brother Ben in the fall of 1919 in Parkersburg , West Virginia--Ben had married Catherine Neale in Parkersburg.  Catherine's brother was the athlete Greasy Neale--an outfielder for the Cincinnati Reds team that won the 1919 World Series--the series that was marred by the "Black Sox" scandal.  The Chicago White Sox had been favored to win the series, but several key players were paid off by New York mobster Arnold Rothstein and his gambling syndicate to throw the series.  Dave describes this scandal.


Greasy Neale, 1922
Neale also played professional football and coached several teams in the NFL

 For more information about the "Black Sox" scandal, see: https://www.baseball-reference.com/bullpen/Black_Sox_Scandal

29.00  Dave and Alice marry, 1926, Delphi Hotel in Philadelphia.  Family and friends had no rice, so they threw raisins at them--a messy business!

Image: Alice's wedding picture, 1926

31.23  Memories of Alice's parents.  Harry had been in restaurant business, then had a shoe repair business. He died at the age of 56. Yetta was literate in Yiddish and spoke both English and Yiddish.  Dave remembers letters she wrote to Alice in Yiddish, with English words written in Yiddish.

33.30  Memories of Alice's siblings. Dave states that she had three sisters and one brother, but there were two brothers (Ed and Jules)--possibly by the time that Dave met Alice, Ed was no longer living at home and Dave did not include him for that reason.  Please refer to the photograph and listing of the Green family above.

Dave speaks of the Green family and Alice's siblings with warmth and affection, saying that they were "good people with good hearts".

36.30  Describing Alice.  Dave states that Alice was "a lovely person..very active...".  He explains that her energies were devoted to helping others and addressing "broad social problems".  He says, "Nothing was too hard for her".  He expresses admiration for her ability to speak before crowds and advocate for progressive causes. 

 Alice was active in the United Parents Association (UPA) in New York from 1938-1941.   The UPA was a voice for progress in the public schools in NYC, with concerns that included racial integration of both students and teachers, as well as "academic freedom, peace education (including opposition to military training in the public schools), juvenile delinquency, textbook selection... and teacher salaries." 

https://a860-collectionguides.nyc.gov/repositories/2/archival_objects/638355

The file about Alice that was released to me from the NYC archives refers to her work with the UPA ; specifically, the efforts of the UPA to disavow Alice in 1941, when anti-communist efforts became more fervent.  In 1953, Alice was listed as a person of interest in the Investigation of Communist Activity in New York, under the auspices of the House Committee on Un-American Activities (HUAC)

https://books.google.com/books?id=gotAzgEACAAJ&q=Alice+Udren#v=snippet&q=Alice%20Udren&f=false

Alice's political activities are further discussed in Side #3

Dave states that the Loew's Theater organization tried to recruit Alice as a spokesperson for their more conservative agenda, but she turned them down. 

41.00 Dave describes Alice's support of various worker's strikes and the peace strike; he tells of Alice wheeling baby Shary in a carriage fill with leaflets. 

Image: Worker's strike in New York during the years of the great Depression. https://blogs.shu.edu/nyc-history/depression-era-new-york/

43.00 Living in "the cockroach house" in the Bronx; Dave expresses gratitude that he had work through the Depression when so many neighbors were on relief.  Dave talks about a drugstore that was located under their apartment .  The drugstore was owned by two brothers; Dave tells a humorous story about "Louis the dope". 


Image: Interior, Whelan's Drugstore, New York City, 1930s (Berenice Abbott, photographer)

 https://flashbak.com/berenice-abbotts-new-york-stores-1930s-365069/







 


 



Friday, December 23, 2022

David Udren interview, part 1, 3/25/77

 This recording was made in Haifa Israel, 3/25/77.  David Udren is being interviewed by Sharon Udren Chaiklin (daughter of David) and Valerie Lankford (friend of Sharon's).

David was born in Fastiv/Fastov, a small city of around 11,000 people in the Kiev district, Ukraine--at that time a part of the Russian Empire.  He left Fastov with his family in 1904 at around the age of six, and briefly describes their immigration experience in the audio. At the time of their departure, over one-half of the population of Fastov was Jewish.  Pogroms afflicted the Jewish population throughout their history and a terrible pogrom in Fastov in 1919 killed half of the Jewish population, an estimated 2000 people.

 Notably, Golda Meir (the fourth prime minister of Israel)  was born in Fastov in 1898, but her family emigrated to Milwaukee in the United  States in 1906.  The first images you see on the video are of the market place in Fastov, ca. 1900, as David might have seen it.  The second image is of a grain mill built ca. 1905, perhaps just after the Udren family left Fastov.  I found both of these images on the website History of Jewish Communities in Ukraine, on this page: https://jewua.org/fastov/.





The contents of this first portion (time on video noted) is as follows:

.28     First memory (age 3-4?)

2.20    Memories of Fastov

4.25  Immigration: train to Frankfort, then to Rotterdam; boat to Liverpool, then to Ellis Island, New York (arrived June 15, 1904);   train to Philadelphia. 

8.00 Memories of parents, father's opposition to immigration; father's work as a highly skilled tailor; teaching David how to design and tailor an overcoat.

13.13  Extended family--father's sister in Detroit, Mother's sister in Philadelphia; Publickers (sister and brother-in-law's family)

19.45  Early school days; memories of a favorite teacher (Miss Lynch)

21.19   Later school days; playing basketball on school team; quitting school before end of school year every year to get a job for the summer--never received a diploma

23.52  Attending Temple University for classes in book-keeping and accounting, working at night

24.16  Once out of school, playing basketball after work; early jobs; antisemitism limiting job opportunities; working in a coal yard at age 11 or 12.

27.40  Bar mitzvah

28.50  More about parents and siblings:

        Abraham Udren (father): b. ca.1863, Ukraine; d. 7/23/46, Philadelphia

        Sofie/Sophie Gever Udren (mother): b. ca. 1864, Ukraine; d.  7/17/55, Philadelphia   

        Benjamin/Ben Udren  (brother): b. 5/1/84, Kiev, Ukraine; d. Wood, WV 3/25/66


Ben Udren, Atlantic City, NJ, early 1920s

        Rose Udren Siegel (sister): b. 1889, Ukraine; d.1964 (?), New York, NY(?)

        Minnie Udren Katz (sister): b. 10/21/91, Ukraine; d. 3/17/67, Philadelphia, PA

        Harry Udren (brother): b. 3/10/92, Kiev, Ukraine; d. 12/10/80, Queens, NY

        David Udren  (self): b. 11/26/98, Ukraine; d. 7/19/94, Columbia, MD


Dave and his first car, early 1920s

        Samuel/Sam Udren (brother): b. 12/24/99, Ukraine; d. 11/23/86, Philadelphia, PA

        Joseph/Joe Udren (brother): b. 12/25/03, Ukraine; d. 6/?/84, Philadelphia, PA


Dave and Joe in New York, early 1920's

        Matilda/Tia Udren Stokes: b. 4/27/07, Philadelphia, PA; d. 7/30/2003, Bradenton, FL


Tia Udren, 1930s

31.0  Memories of mother (Sofie), mother's cooking

33.55  Passover seders

35.20  Relationships with siblings

36.12  Memories of father (Abraham)


Photo of a group of tailors in Warsaw, Poland at a tailor's convention, ca. 1900?  Abraham Udren is seated on the far right

Standing (L to R): Dave, Alice, Sam's wife Ann, Sam; 
Seated: Joe, Sophie, Joe's wife Clara 
At Sophie and Abe's 50th wedding anniversary ca early 1940s (?)

40.50 Cultural influences: music, literature, politics, dance

45.10 No such thing as a vacation! 



           




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